200 yard Coyote Experiences

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tlkeizer posted this 14 November 2018

Greetings,

Having taken on the challenge of can I hit a coyote at 200 yards with a cast bullet, I can give a resounding "sometimes if given enough cartridges".  My first of 2 targets was interesting, even though not very outstanding.  First I tried a number of combinations of powder and charges.  The bullets given me for the 25-06 weighed 90 grains, I have no mold of my own yet (emphasis on yet).  I tried H414, Unique, Green Dot, and one other powder, all in at least two charges.  The best result was Unique, 7 grains.  The H414 sometimes gave a hang-fire if I did not raise the muzzle before firing, not a good thing and no longer used.  When loading at first I noticed an ever-so-slight ring of lead after seating the bullet on occasion, and when mentioning this to my shooting buddy he said he had an expander for reloading his 25-20 and loaned it to me for a short while.  This helped my groups considerably but not world class groups yet.  After a number of load combinations I settled on the best for me with barely enough bullets left over for the coyotes.

     I had tried the various combinations at 50 yards, not desiring to walk back and forth a lot to the 200 yard range, energy conservation you know.  I started loading enough rounds for the first coyote, and realized there were actually 2 different bullets that had gotten mixed in the box, maybe the reason for the occasional ring.  One had a larger meplate than the other, so I loaded the most I  could of one bullet after loading some of both, finished the set , and got ready for the range. The bullets weighed the same, so I loaded them all alike.  I did not have enough cases to load all the rounds, so went with what I had.

     200 yards is reaching quite a ways without a solid rest.  I fired a couple rounds into a sighter to find where the bullets were striking, then fired a few at the coyote.  I needed a lot of Kentucky Windage.  Made the adjustment of hold position, and fired the rest from a standing position leaning against a post.  One of the bullet types gave a pretty large dispersion, scaring, wounding and killing the coyote.  The other bullet, with the slightly larger meplate, gave a good group, but had a center of mass off the coyote.  Just like live coyotes, sometimes you get it and sometimes you don't.  My spotting scope did not pick up the individual rounds from the quarter caliber, so after a few fired rounds that were checked on by walking out, I just fired the rest

     Since then I have received some heavier bullets (thank you GPIdaho), and will use some of them on coyote #2 (I have some loaded for caribou, but all I saw last time out was one caribou butt going into the woods, no shot yet).   These heavier 120 grain bullets group much better than the 90 grain bullets.  At the very least, when I buy a mold it will be in the 120 grain range.  The lighter grain bullets are not liked very well by my 25-06.  Thank you RDupraz, I appreciate you willing to give me the bullets to try.  Now I know they do not group real well with any of the powders I have on hand.  I gave what I did not load to my local shooting buddy, they work very well in his 25-20 (I believe that is it; whatever, they work well for him).

     Now, on to the second coyote.  How are the rest of you doing?

TK

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onondaga posted this 15 November 2018

Something really helps me standing and field shooting that you might consider. The Triggerstick  monopod was very easy for me to get used to and shoot better standing. It works great for kneeling too. It works great in my penthouse box stand too. I like the way I can pull it's trigger and it quietly goes to the height and locks when you release the trigger:

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Saturday is my Deer/gun opener and I'll be carrying the Triggerstick for my Rem. Spartan X39.

Gary

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Ken Campbell Iowa posted this 15 November 2018

great report, mr. keizer ....    we were surmising that the 200 yard coyote would resort in some pretty good stories, and heck here we go already with the very first recount of your adventure ....

i gotta admit that from my standpoint, maybe one of the boosters for this idea was from all the reports on facebook of endless 1/3 inch groupos at 300 to 600 yards with their new toys ... usually the very first group ever ...

... was hoping maybe some of those guys would give it a try with castings at our loveable 200 yard wiley ....  maybe they would only need 2 or 3 shots ...

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guys, please feel free to let us all share your adventures with Wiley, help us get through the winter ...

ken, who ain't fired a shot at my coyote yet, but grinning just thinking about what all might go wrong ...

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Scearcy posted this 15 November 2018

TK

Perfect! You are confirming that cross sticks and a fence post will be required for my well seasoned physique. I am going to shoot one target with the quad sticks also.

My go to load is going to be a 243 Win, 95 gr NOE and 15-17 gr of 4198. I'll try this in two rifles.

Jim

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Scearcy posted this 17 November 2018

The first results are in and there was a very respectable score shooting 55 gr 22 cal bullets if memory serves. Now the rest of us don't have as many alibis.

Jim

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beltfed posted this 21 November 2018

My first target will be in the mail on Friday.

beltfed/arnie

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bushranch posted this 22 November 2018

I like to use a different rifle on these "hunts" . Settled on my old M70 FW in .308 Win. Replaced my hunting scope with a used but reliable Tasco 8x32 . Left it set on 8 x . Looked through my bullet supply , have 311299 and the Old West BOWM . Seeing who we are and what we do the BOWM is a natural . This bullet is about .302 on the nose and the gas check is a bit below the neck in this rifle. Don't really like this but will see ... Load picked was a reliable one in the .303 British  , 15 grains of A 2400 x Fed 215 . Range was quiet this AM and I got it sighted in at 200 yards and it shoots fine. Got home and found my Coyote has arrived ! Bit of a surprise as Canada Post is doing rotating walkouts and there are over 600 semi loads of US mail waiting to enter the country. I also see my postal estimate was a bit light. Thanks Jim and I will get back to you on this . Now to work out how I shoot this match.  Had a good Coyote Day .. Rus 

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Scearcy posted this 22 November 2018

Happy Thanksgiving coyote hunters. 

45 targets mailed plus Ken and I of course. This adds up to 1,000 CB rounds fired at coyotes. I worry that we might be the cause of coyotes becoming extinct.

Jim

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Brodie posted this 22 November 2018

Jim,

the only thing in danger of becoming extinct is our postal fund.

B.E.Brickey

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Scearcy posted this 27 November 2018

You have all realized by now that mailing these targets is good for the USPS but possibly not so good for your casting fund. Remember that you have the option to self score. Just record your score on the bottom of the tech sheet and only return the tech sheet to Ken.

Jim

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beltfed posted this 30 November 2018

PLease note Re. the Postage.

I sent back my first  folded up target by USPS, in 11.5x 9 envelope for less than $2

beltfed/arnie

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max503 posted this 02 December 2018

I'm going to be shooting Lyman 311284 - 210 grain boolits out of my 30-30 Contender.  We got big coyotes around here.cool

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Rick OShay posted this 05 December 2018

Well since this is my first time of playing this game. I plan on using the guns that would most likley be in my truck while cruising the desert.

#1 will be my Remington 30/06 scoped

#2 will be Marlin 30/30 scoped

#3  H&R 30/30 16" barrel scoped

#4 model 94 30/30 factory sights

#5 rossi 92 .357 factory sights or savage 340 30/30 with peep sights.

All of the groups will be shot with either shooting sticks or the post on the range cover for support. Hood and side window of truck was not a option

I also will be getting help from a couple of my tween age boys shooting and working up loads.

There is a possibility of using one of my .223 for this as well but we all ready have a lot of rounds to test in the above guns listed so I dont know if we will have time before 3/1/19.

Looking forward to this and I will post my info as I go along looking for the unicorn load.  

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Ken Campbell Iowa posted this 05 December 2018

... i think it was jerry lee lewis ... " whole lotta shootin' goin on ... " ....

my kind of music !!

ken

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max503 posted this 08 December 2018

Just got my targets.  My wife asked me why do I want to shoot at a wolf.  She said I can't hang them on the living room wall.

I'm going to use my scoped Contender 30-30 for one.

Just got a 2 cavity Lee 22 mold.  May use that for the second target.  I have a Tikka bolt action 223 with a 6x18 Leupold scope.

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Scearcy posted this 14 December 2018

You guys are all likely way ahead of me but I thought I would share some potentially useful information. My local gun club does not have a 200 yard range. Initially I will need to sight my rifles in at 100 yards. Then on the appointed day, I will drive 60 miles to the club with the 200 yard range to shoot my targets.

In order to make the 200 yard day as easy as possible, I want to be closely zeroed for 200 yards BEFORE I leave the 100 yard range. Ok that is a long explanation. I looked up the mid range trajectory for my 243 and found that I need to be 8" to 9" high at 100 yards to be close at 200. I use a variety of scopes for shooting matches and I have never really thought about MRT in inches.

30 caliber 311299s shoot flatter but not a lot for our purposes. Try 5"-6" initially. The numbers all assume a MV of 1800 fps.

Source - Lyman Cast Bullets #3

Jim

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max503 posted this 17 December 2018

I went to the range last Thursday with 50 rounds of 30-30 ammo loaded up for my Thompson Contender rifle with 36x44 Tasco scope.  It was cold, rainy, and windy.  But I couldn't remember if it was sighted in for 100 or 200 yards.  There is a lot of difference between those two settings due to the heavy 210 grain bullet I'm using.  Long story short - it took me most of my bullets to get sighted in at 200 yards, so instead of shooting the coyote I ended up ringing the 200 yard gong and shooting plastic bottles.  It was fun.  But I was pretty much centered.  I folded up my now wet, unused target and went home.

I went back Sunday with 24 rounds - 1 fouler, 3 sighters, 20 for target.  I was still off a little so I walked my shots to the 9 ring as I went.  

I would have killed 18 out of 20 coyotes with one clear miss and one wounded.  Not too bad shooting from sticks.  It was fun.  I look forward to shooting my other target.  Not sure if I'll use the 30-30 again or try my new mold in the 223.

(I'm naming my next coyote Bullethead.tongue-out)

 

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Scearcy posted this 17 December 2018

I would say that is very respectable with cross sticks. It is somewhat hard to tell with a picture but it looks like 160 give or take a couple of points. Well done.

That head is going to be a tough target off cross sticks.

Jim

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max503 posted this 17 December 2018

I counted 155.  That uppermost shot that's barely touching the 9 ring got counted as a nine.  It was really close but it broke the line.

I never shoot coyotes in the head unless I'm using a shotgun on public land.  200 yards is kind of long for a shotgun.wink

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tlkeizer posted this 3 weeks ago

Greetings

Well, second coyote shot.  I will have to say I did better on the paper coyote than my dad did on live ones; hundreds of fox but only coyote was with a shotgun, 1 1/8 oz #7 1/2 while pheasant hunting (for those interested in the load in case they want to duplicate it (ha)).  He always peeked to watch the coyote roll and they never did.  Anyway, back to mine.

The second coyote was shot over 2 days due to running out of loaded bullets after sighting in a new load.  For my Remington 700 ADL a 120 grain cast with 16 grains H4198 work much better than 7 grains unique behind a 90 grain bullet.  I actually managed to keep all the bullets on paper the second time.  Again, thank you to RDUPRAZ and GPIdaho for the cast bullets to use.  My most stable position was sitting on a pair of gloves due to snow, with a shooting stick for added support; tried standing with support but not nearly as stable.  I do seem to shoot better when the temps are around 0 than when it hovers around 25 with that silly minus sign  in front of the reading.  By my reading I shot around 155, but will leave the official scoring up to the judge.

A few things I take from the shoot.  My 25-06 likes heavier bullets.  My 25-06 likes a moderate cast load, middle to low end of powder range seems to give better groups.  As an example, 16 grains of H4198 at 50 yards today gave me a group 1/2 inch wide, 3/4 inch verticle if you do not count the first warming shot; 22 grains H4198 gave group 1 inch wide, 1 1/2 inch verticle.  My best powder for results was H4198; Unique, H414 and Green Dot just did not give results as good; the flake powders in general did not perform as well as the ball or rod powders.  I give up on the supported standing, sitting either with supporting shooting stick or without does much better for me.  Shoot earlier in the season as sitting on cold ground gets harder and harder to get up from.  I need to get a mold of my own, and work up a load that does at least as well as what I used on the second coyote so I can do better on the next shoot.  I'm really glad it was not a moving target, it already moved enough in the scope.  Good 50 yard groups SHOULD do better at 200 yards than other groups, but load result verification is needed; sometimes not as good groups at 50 yards have less dispersion at 200 yards as can be attested to by reasons on other threads.  I will shoot it again when offered, now to get ready for that silly ground hog.

Hope all had a Merry Christmas, and have a Happy New Year.  Enjoy your shooting.

TK

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max503 posted this 3 weeks ago

I'm wondering if I could hit that dawg with a Winchester 94, iron sights, and a 200 grain boolit……….

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Ken Campbell Iowa posted this 3 weeks ago

max503 ...  i know a guy that has a whole bunch of fresh targets for ya...  gotta uphold the honor of the old '94 ...

i bet you can drill that baby ...

ken

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MarkinEllensburg posted this 3 weeks ago

My choice seems likely to be a 35 Whelen chambered 1903.

I'll know tomorrow after a visit to the range to test 4 loads at 200 yards. I think I'll shoot prone when I finally get around to the yote target.

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Ken Campbell Iowa posted this 3 weeks ago

... at my advanced age, a lot of my old coyote-hunting buddies are gone now ... but when one drops by to share a little wine, we get most kicks out of reminiscing about the many many EASY shots we missed .... 

many many ..... that is why we are allowing 20 shots at our " standing, easy-to-hit " paper beasty ....  remember, we are trying to save LittleRedRidingHood's life ....

the more, the merrier ... i still got more targets, guys !! ...

ken

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beltfed posted this 3 weeks ago

Just wondering. Just curious.  Something was said about publishing the results

from targets received so far.

Maybe "end of year" results so far, with guns, bullets,etc info.

May be helpful to those of us who have more targets yet to shoot.

beltfed/arnie

 

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Ken Campbell Iowa posted this 3 weeks ago

'' hi beltfed ...

i like that idea ... in fact, we have encouraged each shooter to do just that ....  relating the experiences will encourage the rest of us to get out and " getter  done  " ....

we figured there would be some good stories to go with this ...

i do think the reports should really come from the shooters ...   and pictures are great too ....  i am the scorer tabulator on this one, and i am thinking i probably shouldn't post from my end the results sheet as we go ...  since we didn't ask everybody .....  

although this is not exactly strictly a competition for score ... more a competition to see who has the most fun ...   i can tell you that the returns so far are making me think that i should start improving my own 200 yard plinking abilities ....   

... and during my coyote hunting youth, i should have/could have used some cast bullets, at least on 200 yard shots ...

so yes, coyote shooters, please post here your adventures with El  Lobo Papel ... 

thanks, ken 

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max503 posted this 3 weeks ago

max503 ...  i know a guy that has a whole bunch of fresh targets for ya...  gotta uphold the honor of the old '94 ...

i bet you can drill that baby ...

ken

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I went out with the 94 and some of my 210 grain 311284 bullets.  With the rear sight all the way up (I even moved the rear sight blade up in it's bracket) the old Winchester was lobbing those slugs on a rainbow trajectory.  We did manage to ring the gong a few times at 200 yards.  That bullseye above the gong was my aiming point.  I might have to cast up some 150 or 170 grain bullets, but all I have in those weights are single cavity molds.  

Other shooters at the range were curious about what I was trying to do.  I think they were jealous.  This is way more fun than blasting away with a semi-automatic.

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Ken Campbell Iowa posted this 3 weeks ago

funny ... about 1958, us farm boys went together and bot a 30 cal mold for our old krags and gennywine model 70 30-06 ... we studied and schemed and picked::

the 311284 !!

dumbutts found a good one !!

ken

but then made up for it by trying to salvage lead out of a car battery ...  back when you could buy new lead for the price of a coke ...

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Ross Smith posted this 3 weeks ago

I'm gettin ready to make a fool of my self. It was 5 degrees F today at the range.

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longhunter posted this 3 weeks ago

Well I'm right in there with ya brother.

I did take a boat cushion to sit on last time.   Snow frozen ground ICE.......

But what a good time I'm having.  Took a Savage 340 out and shot it.  30-30 and cross sticks.  What fun.

Thanks guy's for a fun way to spend the winter.

The temps have made ICE fishing rough. Bad ICE........along the Mississippi.....

Jon

Jon Welda CW5 USA Ret. 608 797 0056

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Scearcy posted this 2 weeks ago

I took 3 coyote rifles to the 100 yard range today. To keep things simple, they are all 243s and I am using the same load across the board. The load happens to be a hard cast 95 gr RCBS bullet over 18.5 gr of RX7. This is a slightly hotter load than I normally use and I rarely use hard cast bullets in the 243. Anyhow they are moving fast enough to remain supersonic at 200 yards. All 3 rifles are sighted to hit 5" high at 100 yards. I finished up by shooting 1 group each off quad sticks for practice. We have warm weather (above freezing) coming this weekend so maybe it will be time to go coyote hunting.

Jim

 

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Chargar posted this 2 weeks ago

My longest coyote shot was a measured 280 yards in 1962. The coyote was running full bore chased by a pack of hounds. As they crossed an open field, I took a quick sitting position, swung the cross hairs in front of him about 8 feet and threw in a couple of feet of windage. The bullet caught him in the hindquarters and the dogs wre on him. The rifles was a Remington 30S in 25 Remington wearing a Weaver K4 scope. The bullets was an 87 grain Sierra and the powder charge was a proper dose of 4895.  I would have to look up the exact charge. I fully admit there was some luck in this, but luck happens more often, the more you shoot a rifle often. 

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Ross Smith posted this 2 weeks ago

Anybody seen a three legged coyote with a pierced ear? He's headed east from Utah.

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MarkinEllensburg posted this 2 weeks ago

Spent some time at the range on Sunday. There is a difference to my rifle between wheel weights and linotype. Cast a pile of ww bullets and the groups were much larger. Now I'm out of gas checks so have to stop by the reloading store to get more. Then to cast some harder bullets and try again. So glad there is plenty of time left in this event.

Also learned by the way that pvc fence rail does not respond favorably to bullet impacts. I was hoping to make a better target stand. We will stick with lumber.

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Ken Campbell Iowa posted this 2 weeks ago

... maybe we need some of those fantastically accurate rifles i read about over on facebook ....  we could save a lot of postage if we used postage-stamp sized coyote targets ....

ken

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Scearcy posted this 2 weeks ago

Hey Ross, I saw an one eared coyote in the back this morning! Yours maybe? That takes a heck of a shot to hit one in the ear while its running. Congrats!

Jim

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Ross Smith posted this 1 weeks ago

He wasn't running, just laughing at me.

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Ross Smith posted this 1 weeks ago

Mark: I have a similar bad habit as yours. I still make my target stand of pvc pipe but I no longer use glue. That way I can take it partially apart to lay flat and easily replace those injured pieces.

 

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Scearcy posted this 5 days ago

This probably comes under the heading of "no chance" but I made a set of standing quad sticks today. I think the proper technique requires placing your back against a tree. We will see as I am going to do at least one target this way. The front and back cross sticks are hinged to each other at the bottom.

Jim

 

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jchiggins posted this 5 days ago

Jim,

A little optimistic, I'd say.  Not the sticks, the firearm.  Watch your eyes.

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Scearcy posted this 5 days ago

In case anyone is wondering, my favorite load for this rifle is subsonic.

Jim

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Scearcy posted this 3 days ago

I headed out to the 200 yard range this morning. It is 50 miles away.  Soon the thermometer was reading 29 degrees and it started raining. Black ice! The coyotes will live to see another day.

Jim

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Ross Smith posted this 2 days ago

Nice riffle gun! My next target is with my flintlock. Probably score about the same as your bb gun.

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longhunter posted this yesterday

Well I shot my 4th and last Coyote on Sunday.  It was the best of the four.  

Thanks Jim for a fun way to spend the winter doing what I enjoy most.

Jon

Jon Welda CW5 USA Ret. 608 797 0056

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Scearcy posted this yesterday

Good morning Jon. You were wise to get your targets done before this weekends weather. We are headed for 18 degrees below zero Saturday so my coyotes have to wait a little longer.

Do you mind sharing a few details. I can preface this question for everyone by saying Jon is  helluva shooter. Were you prone? cross sticks? The usual 3006? Please share anything you are comfortable sharing.

Jim

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Scearcy posted this yesterday

We had a serious ice storm here (MN) 2 weeks ago. Up here that ice may last into mid march. I quickly discovered, or confirmed, that cross sticks are seriously compromised on an icy surface.

Yesterday I cobbled up an adjustable tripod out of an old camera tripod. I replaced the head with a V shaped bumper from the bow of a boat trailer. Total cost less than $10 if you already have an old camera tripod. Primos makes nice commercial tripods but they are seriously expensive.

Jim

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longhunter posted this 6 hours ago

Good Morning,

Second cup of coffee so I am ready to shoot, so to speak!  Thank you for the nice words.

We also had a two inch rain awhile back.  So conditions are not fun for winter shooting. No snow left all ICE and frozen ground.

I shot on a boat cushion and cross sticks.  I to could not get the cross sticks to plant them selves in the ice.(My Friend Duke suggested drilling holes in the ground for the ends of the cross sticks to fit in.)  Good Idea but I didn't do that. So I Sat with my left knee up and pulled the cross sticks against it(my knee) with my left hand!  I think there is a Monkey joke in there some where!  I seemed to get a couple of shots off and then the sticks would slip.  SO it goes.  I would just redo the position and shoot a few more shots is a lot of work for an old Fa-- with a bad back hip and knee replaced.

First rifle was a 7.62x54R Mosin Nigant. Second rifle was a Savage 30-30 Weaver K6. Third was a Springfield o3 with Irons.

Fourth was a Springfield rebarreled and chambered in 308 Win. Redfield 6X18 scope.  This is my tack driver of a cast rifle.

I think Jim will publish the loads at the end of the Demise of all the Coyotes. 

Thanks to Jim and his helpers in this fun MATCH....What a great way to pass the winter!

Thanks again,

Jon

 

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Ken Campbell Iowa posted this 1 hour ago

couple 3 thoughts over my hot cocoa as i look out at the icy mush on my sidewalk  ( and the 200 yard backstop at the local range )  :

1)  my idea of a " coyote " shoot came from my wasted youth sitting in snowbanks trying to get a frozen finger to feel and pull the trigger on a nervous teensy coyote out there an unknown long distance, no wind flags,  and wondering if 9 below zero meant i should aim higher ....  so i supposed that twenty shots might not be unreasonable, might have to "" walk in "" a few shots .... heh ...

2) some targets and/or data sheets  have started to come in .... dang !! ...  wish you guys could have hunted with me back when i was young and so stupid i never considered a guy could actually freeze to death out there .... hey, we aren't actually keeping score, but i can relate that you guys are making cast bullets and old guns look real good as a wiley buster !! .... 

3) i need to dig out my extra duty long johns and get out there myself ....  funny how looking at all those bullet holes from guys that sent me targets gets my blood warm enough that i might survive a couple hours in one of those snowbanks i remember .... hell, might knock off about 50 years ...

thanks, guys !!

ken

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max503 posted this 1 hour ago

My cross sticks got nails in the ends that go in the ground.

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