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beagle6 posted this 06 August 2020

Wayne La Pierre's excesses have been a topic of discussion here before, but now they have reached a point where the attorney general of New York is suing the NRA for tax violations and threatening to remove its tax exempt status among other things. This is serious stuff. Mr. LaPierre and a few others might well wind up in jail. Unfortunately, after listening to the allegations, I think a lot of it is probably true. What this all means for the future of the NRA remains to to be seen, but it seems likely that Wayne and others have been looting the coffers to the tune of many millions.

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Larry Gibson posted this 06 August 2020

Be best if the BOD would deep six LaPierre and his top cronies and try to salvage what's left.  Problem is he probably has dirt on most of them.  This has been coming for a long time.  Just too bad we let the democrats do it right before the election.

LMG

Concealment is not cover.........

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JeffinNZ posted this 06 August 2020

Just adds to NY's anti gun sentiment.

Cheers from New Zealand

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Bud Hyett posted this 06 August 2020

Let us not forget the timing. This come 90 days before an election where the NRA support is critical. Any dissension within the NRA membership or the pro-gun ranks will only add to the anti-gunner's delight. The anti-gunners are making the AR-15 an election item,

Country boy from Illinois, living in the magical Pacific Northwest

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BigMan54 posted this 06 August 2020

Should have been done after the dust up at last year's meeting.

BOD is packed full of lapierre's cronies. All who tried to stand against him left or resigned last year. 

A clothing allowance ? That's absurd for someone who makes over a million a yr.

Long time Caster/Reloader, Getting back into it after almost 10yrs. Life Member NRA 40+yrs, Life S.A.S.S. #375. Does this mean a description of me as a fumble-fingered knuckle-draggin' baboon. I also drool in my sleep. I firmly believe that true happiness is a warm gun. Did I mention how much I HATE auto-correct on this blasted tablet.

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Tom Acheson posted this 06 August 2020

All of the above has merit.

I've read over on other forums about the excesses of Wayne, for maybe three years. This revelation was connected to the NRA's poor attitude and performance regarding some competitions.

One detail that cannot beoverlooked is the committment many gun owners have to freedom, self reliance and the Constitution. If the NRA goes away, most gun owners will stay the course.

The recent rotten behaviour of antifa and other protesters who hate America and want to destroy it is not lost on most gun owners and they know what is at stake, seeing the stumbling of some in the NRA as just a distraction. 

I have confidence in our fellow supporters of the Constitution. The hatred of guns and gun owners by the media and radical left  is not new and is not going away. The three corrupt entities in our culture are acedemia, politicians and the media, not everyone in these groups but many, who all work daily to try drive America to the left into socialism and all of us know the next place on that slippery slope that socialism leads to.

Some other group will surface to step into the void left by the NRA.

Tom

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beagle6 posted this 06 August 2020

No matter how this plays out for the NRA, I think the best thing we can do for our cause is to get Trump reelected. If Biden wins and( God Forbid) the Democrats get control of the House and Senate, I think we are finished.

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Ed Harris posted this 06 August 2020

Thanks all for keeping this a reasoned and rational discussion.  I agree with all the above.  It is also vitally important that we support Republican candidates down-ballot, because if Biden should be elected at minimum Republicans must maintain control of the Senate to prevent the Demo-Commies from destroying the country.  I better shut up now before I go off the rails... 

73 de KE4SKY In Home Mix We Trust From the Home of Ed's Red in "Almost Heaven" West Virginia

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David Reiss CBA Membership Director posted this 06 August 2020

An unwritten policy of the forum has been that we don't allow discussions of politics or religion. As so this has always been at the discretion of the forum administrator. As Ed stated above, keeping this thread reasoned and rational will allow it to stay. Please don't stray of topic, or use name calling (which is strictly not allowed), even if some deserve the label.  

So stay on the topic of the current situation the NRA has found itself in.

One thing I can add to the thread is that my local gun club president is also the vice-president of the NRA. He is a good man and I have know him for nearly 40 years. I can say he has not been involved in any of the shenanigans and is doing his best to right the ship. 

David Reiss - NRA Life Member & PSC Range Member Retired Police Firearms Instructor/Armorer
-Services: Wars Fought, Uprisings Quelled, Bars Emptied, Revolutions Started, Tigers Tamed, Assassinations Plotted, Women Seduced, Governments Run, Gun Appraisals, Lost Treasure Found.
- Also deal in: Land, Banjos, Nails, Firearms, Manure, Fly Swatters, Used Cars, Whisky, Racing Forms, Rare Antiquities, Lead, Used Keyboard Keys, Good Dogs, Pith Helmets & Zulu Headdresses. .

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Tom Acheson posted this 06 August 2020

Going back to maybe 1980 our gun club had required NRA membership to be a member. Last year we changed that, partially due to the rumors about the behavior of Wayne and friends. So now a member has (3) gun rights group he or she wants to belong, including the NRA, but not requiring the NRA. We believe a member needs to be informed about gun legislation, thus the membership requirement.

Tom

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David Reiss CBA Membership Director posted this 06 August 2020

While it is not doubt that the NRA became taken over by a few power and money hungry individuals, it is still mostly made up of good people and it is my hope that they can weed out the bad, soon. 

We can't deny the good they have done for gun owners in the past and we should not toss out the baby with the bath water. However my patience is wearing thin. I will give them a few more years before before I look elsewhere for the majority of my support. With that said I have never put all my eggs in one basket and have supported other lesser gun pro organizations.

The current trend is that about 75% of new members of the CBA are NRA members, this is down from about 85% when I became the membership director 5 years ago. 

It has been my experience that most real gun cranks vote on the issue of gun rights, but that can't be said of all. 

We are our own best spokesmen and spokeswomen. Know can spread the word about the evils of gun control than us, but here we are preaching to the choir. 

David Reiss - NRA Life Member & PSC Range Member Retired Police Firearms Instructor/Armorer
-Services: Wars Fought, Uprisings Quelled, Bars Emptied, Revolutions Started, Tigers Tamed, Assassinations Plotted, Women Seduced, Governments Run, Gun Appraisals, Lost Treasure Found.
- Also deal in: Land, Banjos, Nails, Firearms, Manure, Fly Swatters, Used Cars, Whisky, Racing Forms, Rare Antiquities, Lead, Used Keyboard Keys, Good Dogs, Pith Helmets & Zulu Headdresses. .

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Bill2728 posted this 06 August 2020

A benefactor member here but refuse to contribute another dime as Wayne is the head.  Not as influential but what I have to give goes to the GOA.  

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Michael S posted this 06 August 2020

  My thinking is the NRA needs to move its head quarters out of New York. The attorney general of NY has been suing the NRA for almost six years now constantly. less then 90 days before our primary election is meant nothing more then to cause us NRA members to squabble and point fingers and to act like one is not innocent until proven guilty.  But the mail reason for this latest lawsuit against the NRA is to drain more of the NRA's money . Money it would other wise be using to defend the Second Amendment.

GOD, United States of America, US Marine Corps, Family, Self

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RicinYakima posted this 07 August 2020

Michael S, I agree most heartedly! I think somewhere within easy flying distance to DC, but in a state that would welcome us. Ohio? Indiana? North Caroline?

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mashburn posted this 07 August 2020

Hello to all,

I know a lot of NRA members and myself included have been unhappy with the NRA for years, but they are all we have to battle the gun haters of the country. I can't understand how Wayne has stayed in power for so long but that's another story. Surely the NRA, with their backs against the wall will bully up and fight. The worst part is, the campaign money used to elect the right people will be used to fight the lawsuit. I agree, The NRA should move out of that foreign country of New York.

Mashburn

David a. Cogburn

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beagle6 posted this 07 August 2020

NRA Headquarters is in Fairfax Virginia. It has a charter as a tax exempt organization in New York.

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max503 posted this 07 August 2020

I'm hoping the attacks on the NRA and the 2nd amendment will backfire and motivate people to vote against the gun grabbers.

And yes, we do not need corruption in the leadership of the NRA.  

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alphabrass posted this 07 August 2020

Maybe this blatant attack on the 2nd will energize support at the polls and with $.  Recent events have led to record sales of firearms including many first time buyers.  Will these people stand up to support their newly exercised liberty?  The NRA situation is disheartening, time for some changes there.  With such a large BOD it seems difficult to get some new, accountable and independent, directors in place.  That being said now is not the time to abandon our most prominent voice.

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ray h posted this 07 August 2020

I've been a Life member since 1972. It's sad if there is mishandling within the NRA but I totally support them. Now is not the time to turn our backs on the NRA. I do hope they move to a more gun friendly state.  

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Tom Acheson posted this 07 August 2020

I joined the NRA so I could shoot in NRA sponsored Bullseye and Handgun Silhouette matches, in 1979. Then I became a life member in 1990 or so. It was an economic thing but I also didn’t want to miss the monthly magazine that had ILA (Institute for Legislative Action) updates.

I wouldn’t think too much about preaching to the choir. As this group points out NRA behavior, new first time visitors to our site might be seeing this kind of information for the first time.

I agree, the NRA is our most vocal supporter and we should not turn away from them. We’d be playing right into our opponents hands. Moving out of the east coast sewer—-Virginia/Washington DC and New York City areas—-would be a welcome move.

The biggest downside of this recent behavior is the drain on funds for the upcoming legal fees, which might otherwise have been spent of fighting the anti’s.

Tom

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John Alexander posted this 07 August 2020

I was tied up with personal business yesterday didn't see this thread until a couple of hours ago so am late to the party.  

It has been a while since the CBA Forum's ban of  political and religious topics has been posted and this seems like a good time to remind everybody.

On November 19, 2012 the CBA's Board of Directors voted 10 to 3 to: "ban political and religious discussions on our forum with the exception of notices to alert our members about specific proposed laws or regulations that would restrict the ownership or use of guns."

I think it could reasonably be argued that beagle6's post that started the thread was akin to a notice about something that affects the ownership or use of guns.  Some of the posts that followed were obviously strong political speech and in violation of forum rules.  

I am asking for your cooperation in respecting this rule which the Board thought necessary to best achieve a forum dedicated to cast bullet shooting. Thank you.

John

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