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beagle6 posted this 06 August 2020

Wayne La Pierre's excesses have been a topic of discussion here before, but now they have reached a point where the attorney general of New York is suing the NRA for tax violations and threatening to remove its tax exempt status among other things. This is serious stuff. Mr. LaPierre and a few others might well wind up in jail. Unfortunately, after listening to the allegations, I think a lot of it is probably true. What this all means for the future of the NRA remains to to be seen, but it seems likely that Wayne and others have been looting the coffers to the tune of many millions.

beagle6

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Larry Gibson posted this 06 August 2020

Be best if the BOD would deep six LaPierre and his top cronies and try to salvage what's left.  Problem is he probably has dirt on most of them.  This has been coming for a long time.  Just too bad we let the democrats do it right before the election.

LMG

Concealment is not cover.........

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JeffinNZ posted this 06 August 2020

Just adds to NY's anti gun sentiment.

Cheers from New Zealand

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Bud Hyett posted this 06 August 2020

Let us not forget the timing. This come 90 days before an election where the NRA support is critical. Any dissension within the NRA membership or the pro-gun ranks will only add to the anti-gunner's delight. The anti-gunners are making the AR-15 an election item,

Country boy from Illinois, living in the magical Pacific Northwest

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BigMan54 posted this 06 August 2020

Should have been done after the dust up at last year's meeting.

BOD is packed full of lapierre's cronies. All who tried to stand against him left or resigned last year. 

A clothing allowance ? That's absurd for someone who makes over a million a yr.

Long time Caster/Reloader, Getting back into it after almost 10yrs. Life Member NRA 40+yrs, Life S.A.S.S. #375. Does this mean a description of me as a fumble-fingered knuckle-draggin' baboon. I also drool in my sleep. I firmly believe that true happiness is a warm gun. Did I mention how much I HATE auto-correct on this blasted tablet.

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Tom Acheson posted this 06 August 2020

All of the above has merit.

I've read over on other forums about the excesses of Wayne, for maybe three years. This revelation was connected to the NRA's poor attitude and performance regarding some competitions.

One detail that cannot beoverlooked is the committment many gun owners have to freedom, self reliance and the Constitution. If the NRA goes away, most gun owners will stay the course.

The recent rotten behaviour of antifa and other protesters who hate America and want to destroy it is not lost on most gun owners and they know what is at stake, seeing the stumbling of some in the NRA as just a distraction. 

I have confidence in our fellow supporters of the Constitution. The hatred of guns and gun owners by the media and radical left  is not new and is not going away. The three corrupt entities in our culture are acedemia, politicians and the media, not everyone in these groups but many, who all work daily to try drive America to the left into socialism and all of us know the next place on that slippery slope that socialism leads to.

Some other group will surface to step into the void left by the NRA.

Tom

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beagle6 posted this 06 August 2020

No matter how this plays out for the NRA, I think the best thing we can do for our cause is to get Trump reelected. If Biden wins and( God Forbid) the Democrats get control of the House and Senate, I think we are finished.

beagle6

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Ed Harris posted this 06 August 2020

Thanks all for keeping this a reasoned and rational discussion.  I agree with all the above.  It is also vitally important that we support Republican candidates down-ballot, because if Biden should be elected at minimum Republicans must maintain control of the Senate to prevent the Demo-Commies from destroying the country.  I better shut up now before I go off the rails... 

73 de KE4SKY In Home Mix We Trust From the Home of Ed's Red in "Almost Heaven" West Virginia

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David Reiss CBA Membership Director posted this 06 August 2020

An unwritten policy of the forum has been that we don't allow discussions of politics or religion. As so this has always been at the discretion of the forum administrator. As Ed stated above, keeping this thread reasoned and rational will allow it to stay. Please don't stray of topic, or use name calling (which is strictly not allowed), even if some deserve the label.  

So stay on the topic of the current situation the NRA has found itself in.

One thing I can add to the thread is that my local gun club president is also the vice-president of the NRA. He is a good man and I have know him for nearly 40 years. I can say he has not been involved in any of the shenanigans and is doing his best to right the ship. 

David Reiss - NRA Life Member & PSC Range Member Retired Police Firearms Instructor/Armorer
-Services: Wars Fought, Uprisings Quelled, Bars Emptied, Revolutions Started, Tigers Tamed, Assassinations Plotted, Women Seduced, Governments Run, Gun Appraisals, Lost Treasure Found.
- Also deal in: Land, Banjos, Nails, Firearms, Manure, Fly Swatters, Used Cars, Whisky, Racing Forms, Rare Antiquities, Lead, Used Keyboard Keys, Good Dogs, Pith Helmets & Zulu Headdresses. .

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Tom Acheson posted this 06 August 2020

Going back to maybe 1980 our gun club had required NRA membership to be a member. Last year we changed that, partially due to the rumors about the behavior of Wayne and friends. So now a member has (3) gun rights group he or she wants to belong, including the NRA, but not requiring the NRA. We believe a member needs to be informed about gun legislation, thus the membership requirement.

Tom

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David Reiss CBA Membership Director posted this 06 August 2020

While it is not doubt that the NRA became taken over by a few power and money hungry individuals, it is still mostly made up of good people and it is my hope that they can weed out the bad, soon. 

We can't deny the good they have done for gun owners in the past and we should not toss out the baby with the bath water. However my patience is wearing thin. I will give them a few more years before before I look elsewhere for the majority of my support. With that said I have never put all my eggs in one basket and have supported other lesser gun pro organizations.

The current trend is that about 75% of new members of the CBA are NRA members, this is down from about 85% when I became the membership director 5 years ago. 

It has been my experience that most real gun cranks vote on the issue of gun rights, but that can't be said of all. 

We are our own best spokesmen and spokeswomen. Know can spread the word about the evils of gun control than us, but here we are preaching to the choir. 

David Reiss - NRA Life Member & PSC Range Member Retired Police Firearms Instructor/Armorer
-Services: Wars Fought, Uprisings Quelled, Bars Emptied, Revolutions Started, Tigers Tamed, Assassinations Plotted, Women Seduced, Governments Run, Gun Appraisals, Lost Treasure Found.
- Also deal in: Land, Banjos, Nails, Firearms, Manure, Fly Swatters, Used Cars, Whisky, Racing Forms, Rare Antiquities, Lead, Used Keyboard Keys, Good Dogs, Pith Helmets & Zulu Headdresses. .

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Bill2728 posted this 06 August 2020

A benefactor member here but refuse to contribute another dime as Wayne is the head.  Not as influential but what I have to give goes to the GOA.  

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Michael S posted this 06 August 2020

  My thinking is the NRA needs to move its head quarters out of New York. The attorney general of NY has been suing the NRA for almost six years now constantly. less then 90 days before our primary election is meant nothing more then to cause us NRA members to squabble and point fingers and to act like one is not innocent until proven guilty.  But the mail reason for this latest lawsuit against the NRA is to drain more of the NRA's money . Money it would other wise be using to defend the Second Amendment.

GOD, United States of America, US Marine Corps, Family, Self

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RicinYakima posted this 07 August 2020

Michael S, I agree most heartedly! I think somewhere within easy flying distance to DC, but in a state that would welcome us. Ohio? Indiana? North Caroline?

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mashburn posted this 07 August 2020

Hello to all,

I know a lot of NRA members and myself included have been unhappy with the NRA for years, but they are all we have to battle the gun haters of the country. I can't understand how Wayne has stayed in power for so long but that's another story. Surely the NRA, with their backs against the wall will bully up and fight. The worst part is, the campaign money used to elect the right people will be used to fight the lawsuit. I agree, The NRA should move out of that foreign country of New York.

Mashburn

David a. Cogburn

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beagle6 posted this 07 August 2020

NRA Headquarters is in Fairfax Virginia. It has a charter as a tax exempt organization in New York.

beagle6

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max503 posted this 07 August 2020

I'm hoping the attacks on the NRA and the 2nd amendment will backfire and motivate people to vote against the gun grabbers.

And yes, we do not need corruption in the leadership of the NRA.  

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alphabrass posted this 07 August 2020

Maybe this blatant attack on the 2nd will energize support at the polls and with $.  Recent events have led to record sales of firearms including many first time buyers.  Will these people stand up to support their newly exercised liberty?  The NRA situation is disheartening, time for some changes there.  With such a large BOD it seems difficult to get some new, accountable and independent, directors in place.  That being said now is not the time to abandon our most prominent voice.

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ray h posted this 07 August 2020

I've been a Life member since 1972. It's sad if there is mishandling within the NRA but I totally support them. Now is not the time to turn our backs on the NRA. I do hope they move to a more gun friendly state.  

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Tom Acheson posted this 07 August 2020

I joined the NRA so I could shoot in NRA sponsored Bullseye and Handgun Silhouette matches, in 1979. Then I became a life member in 1990 or so. It was an economic thing but I also didn’t want to miss the monthly magazine that had ILA (Institute for Legislative Action) updates.

I wouldn’t think too much about preaching to the choir. As this group points out NRA behavior, new first time visitors to our site might be seeing this kind of information for the first time.

I agree, the NRA is our most vocal supporter and we should not turn away from them. We’d be playing right into our opponents hands. Moving out of the east coast sewer—-Virginia/Washington DC and New York City areas—-would be a welcome move.

The biggest downside of this recent behavior is the drain on funds for the upcoming legal fees, which might otherwise have been spent of fighting the anti’s.

Tom

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John Alexander posted this 07 August 2020

I was tied up with personal business yesterday didn't see this thread until a couple of hours ago so am late to the party.  

It has been a while since the CBA Forum's ban of  political and religious topics has been posted and this seems like a good time to remind everybody.

On November 19, 2012 the CBA's Board of Directors voted 10 to 3 to: "ban political and religious discussions on our forum with the exception of notices to alert our members about specific proposed laws or regulations that would restrict the ownership or use of guns."

I think it could reasonably be argued that beagle6's post that started the thread was akin to a notice about something that affects the ownership or use of guns.  Some of the posts that followed were obviously strong political speech and in violation of forum rules.  

I am asking for your cooperation in respecting this rule which the Board thought necessary to best achieve a forum dedicated to cast bullet shooting. Thank you.

John

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beagle6 posted this 07 August 2020

When I started this thread I did not mean for it to turn political, but gun control is still the 600 pound gorilla in the room. If anyone is offended, I apologize

beagle6

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sghart3578 posted this 08 August 2020

I am a NRA member and like most of us I have heard rumors of mismanagement.

I think the most shameful part is that it has taken an outside enemy to focus attention and perhaps bring about the change that we need.

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Ed Harris posted this 08 August 2020

I am a NRA member and like most of us I have heard rumors of mismanagement.

I think the most shameful part is that it has taken an outside enemy to focus attention and perhaps bring about the change that we need.

 

Sorry to say it's no rumor.  I observed this sort of thing first-hand from 1977-84, which is why I left my employment there.  Situation has been allowed to fester and now the pustules are bursting.

73 de KE4SKY In Home Mix We Trust From the Home of Ed's Red in "Almost Heaven" West Virginia

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ALYMAN#1 posted this 08 August 2020

I am sorry to learn of the validity of my suspicions.   The best we can do is to follow the original NRA pledge that I agreed to in the 1960's when I was finally able to join on my own.  I am still a Benefactor member and will do everything I am able to Keep our Freedoms.  Thanks for listening.

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Wheel Weights posted this 08 August 2020

1. Move to WY. 2. reincorporate there. 3. get rid of Wayne and all his conies.

 

PROBLEM SOLVED.

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Ed Harris posted this 08 August 2020

When I finally got fed up with the NRA calling and asking for money, I asked the call taker, "Is this call being recorded?"

Silence on the other end...  When she started her script again I interrupted, "When Wayne is finally in jail, if you send me an autographed picture of him behind bars in his orange jumpsuit, I will send $5 per month to his prison canteen fund..."

 

They stopped calling me!

 

73 de KE4SKY In Home Mix We Trust From the Home of Ed's Red in "Almost Heaven" West Virginia

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Glaciers posted this 09 August 2020

Lot of good passionate posts about the NRA.  I'm a life member and have been since the 70's.  I'm also very distressed by the current events, which may or may not be justified, but, the main motivation is political.  Most folks talk about the BOD and Wayne and the difficult spot they have put the NRA in, and it's certainly not good.  But, let's remember the goal is our rights as individual free thinking people, not to abandon ship.

Remember, we are the NRA.  The leadership is astray, we aren't.  We are the NRA.

 

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Squid Boy posted this 09 August 2020

I read these posts with a great deal of interest as they go right to the heart of the matter. The NRA has become a huge lobbying machine and that was good on one hand but they also rubbed elbows daily with the Washington elite and slowly became corrupted by it. You can't be around that kind of power without having it do something to your ethics no matter how pure you started out. My biggest beef with the NRA was why they never had any articles or full page adds in the regular media, like the NY Times with statistics and facts to back it up. Plenty of money to buy a full page add in the Times. I don't need to read it but lots of left wing liberals should. I never got an answer on that. I keep my membership with the hope the upper management will get tossed and it pays me in discounts I receive from gun club memberships. I think Gun Owners of America will fill the gap at least for a while. Thanks, Squid Boy

"Squid Pro Quo"

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Glaciers posted this 09 August 2020

I for years was a Sports Charter representive for Prince William Sound in Alaska with the NPFMC a Federal body that makes decisions for the use and allocation of fish outside of the 3 mile limit.  In my case the Federal Council allocated halibut right up to tide water.

But, what I was seeing was the concern, by the Feds for how many people were represented by a Association.  Numbers were very important.  

My point is as in my earlier post, we are the NRA.  keep your membership, and join other groups like GOA and others.  But do not forsake the NRA because of the bad leadership.  Work to change the leadership.   

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beagle6 posted this 09 August 2020

I live in New York and local and state newspapers have been reporting (with glee) the attorney general's lawsuit against the NRA. The NRA obtained a charter in New York in 1871 as a not for profit, tax exempt , organization. The suit alleges that the NRA failed to follow numerous state and federal laws regarding its status. Specifically, it alleges that 4 individuals diverted 64 million dollars from the organization over a 3 year period for their personal use.

The 4 individuals named are:

Wayne LaPierre, executive vice president

John Fraser,general council

Woody Philips, former treasurer

Joshua Powell , former chief of staff 

In addition, the lawsuit also accuses LaPierre of awarding himself, without NRA Board approval, a post employment contract worth 17 million dollars.

I hope the NRA survives and the above named go to jail.

beagle6

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JeffinNZ posted this 09 August 2020

Keep supporting the NRA.  You have a HUGE asset in it.  In New Zealand we have no 2A or NRA and get trampled on by politicians at their whim.

Cheers from New Zealand

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beagle6 posted this 09 August 2020

Jeff

Of course you are right, but I feel betrayed by those we trusted. I might also add that I always enjoy your posts.

beagle6

 

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Tom Acheson posted this 09 August 2020

The NRA cannot be brought up without things being political. Many shooters rely on the NRA to be their voice against the groups opposed to our rights....and the battle is pure politics. Hopefully the majority of the shooters observing this corrupt behavior of "the few"  see through it and maintain their support of the NRA.

There is merit in the view that some good people who get elected and then sent to Washington, get corrupted by the influence of the bad folks there.

Tom

 

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sghart3578 posted this 09 August 2020

There is a common train of thought that goes something like this:

"You cannot criticize the NRA or call for change!  They are the only thing standing between us and disarmament."

I am sick of that nonsense.  Why do you think the corruption has festered for so long?  The top brass ask themselves "Where else are the gun owners going to go?"  Basically they do what they want, when they want.

I want an organization that fights all the time for everything.  No compromise on anything.  Open the books, bright sunlight on every transaction.

 

But it will never happen.  The DC swamp corrupts everything.

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Squid Boy posted this 10 August 2020

If the NRA is our voice then where the heck is it? Never a word from them in mainstream media and they can afford the expense of buying it. If you read anything it is always left wing propaganda and never countered or rebuffed by the NRA except in the Rifleman. So the counter articles never reach those that need to see the truth. This is not an attack on anyone here just my opinion on one of the main things that the NRA has failed on. Thanks, Squid

"Squid Pro Quo"

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Larry Gibson posted this 10 August 2020

"Never a word from them in mainstream media and they can afford the expense of buying it. If you read anything it is always left wing propaganda and never countered or rebuffed by the NRA except in the Rifleman."

That's been my major complaint as a Life Member for many years.  All the "rebuff" articles in the AR and AH are just preaching to the choir.  I have told them time and again they should be pro-active in amending or revoking the NFA and the GCA'68.  That would keep the anti-gunners on the defensive and we might even succeed to a degree.  

However, as previously mentioned the powers that be at NRA HQ don't want to change the "status quo" because the bigger the anti-gun boogy man is the more money in donations they think they can rake in.  

We can not win being defensive, we can only continue to lose.....

LMG

 

Concealment is not cover.........

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beagle6 posted this 10 August 2020

This NRA business has been rattling around in my head like a pea in a tin can. I am really angry, but being angry doesn't help anything unless you do something about it. I went to my local post office and bought a post card (39 cents).

On the front  I wrote:

Board Of Directors

National Rifle Association

11250 Waples Mill Rd.

Fairfax, Va. 22030

I wrote on the back: 

 

 I will not send you a dime until Wayne LaPierre is gone and gone without his post employment package.

 

Then I signed my name, put in my membership number and " member since 1966."

I would invite all of you to invest 39 cents and spread the word. If the BOD get thousands of similar cards they might do something. Think I'll go back to the post office and get a few more cards for my shooting buddies who aren't CBA Members.

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John Alexander posted this 10 August 2020

Are the addresses of the individual NRA board members public?  Sending our cards and letters to NRA with Wayne still in charge may get them in the nearest waste basket.

What is going to continue to hurt is to see even more of our dues money flow to high priced lawyers to defend these crooks.

John

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Tom Acheson posted this 10 August 2020

I’m going to the Post Office this week to send in some Tech Sheets for Postal Matches that I score. While I’m there I’ll buy a few Post Cards and do what beagle6 did. A couple extras will be taken to the CBA match next week to see if anyone wants to use them.

Tom

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Duane Mellenbruch posted this 11 August 2020

If you are certain that this is what you want to do, you may want to consider writing a letter to the President of the NRA, with the information shown as Beagle6 has suggested.  Following the address to the president, indicate CC COPY to the next NRA officer as shown in the presidents column.  Include the entire list of officers.  All you need to do, is make the correct number of copies, strike through the original addressee, and highlight the intended recipient and enclose them all in the same envelope,  You will incur extra postage.

This will not just be a bunch of post cards, but a serious pile of written correspondence to each individual who will at least be made aware of the feelings of the members.  Will all nine pieces of mail make it to the intended addressee?  Perhaps not, but you will have better chances than just a single post card.  Are you sure you want to start this at this time?

 

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Ross Smith posted this 11 August 2020

Thanks beagle, I'll send a few letters. I could not find a "contact" spot on their website. 

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Tom Acheson posted this 11 August 2020

How many ways to skin a cat?

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MFSTEAKLEY posted this 13 August 2020

 I would ask that we stick to facts and don't believe anything or everything we hear about the NRA.  Any organization as large as the NRA has people with different points of view and we need to be careful to not judge until we know the facts.  There are many on the internet that feign 2nd amendment support, but do not.  I'm sure Wayne Lapierre is not perfect, but the BOD for the NRA is an outstanding group of people who we need to trust or elect others in January.  The attacks by NY are political.  

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beagle6 posted this 13 August 2020

Mr Steakley 

I wish I could feel as you do but I trust Oliver North a lot more than Wayne LaPierre. Also I have been trying  to contact any of the board of directors or the president without going through the Farfax address. I'll talk about it when I have more time but it is darn near impossible.I think maybe Wayne wants it that way.

beagle6

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Bill2728 posted this 13 August 2020

Just a personal opinion but one of the 13 unrestricted constitutional carry states should be where the NRA headquarters are relocated to.

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Brodie posted this 15 August 2020

Personally I would like to read the complaint from the New York AG.  I am sure that it would illuminate a lot of dim and dark corners as far as the Board of Directors and Wayne LaPierre are concerned.  Just knowing the specific charges in the law suit would help me form an opinion about those people.  At the moment I am in the Ed Harris camp.  I think that this has gone on long enough and will not throw any more money down the NRA hole until I know where it is going.  If all of the allegations are true we should have very good grounds for a recovery suit of our own. 

Why don't I give them the benefit of the doubt?  There is an old saying: "Fool me once, shame on you, Fool me twice, Shame on me."

B.E.Brickey

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max503 posted this 15 August 2020

I haven't researched it myself, but everyone seems to be in agreement that Wayne has done some bad stuff.  How bad?  I don't know.  I DO KNOW that some factions of the media exaggerate, so...I'm sticking with the NRA, for the time being at least.

Hell.  Show me one politician or public figure that doesn't have some dirt under the rug.

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John Alexander posted this 15 August 2020

All politicians, public figures, CEOs, or other leaders are human and thus imperfect -- just like the rest of us. Some are also corrupt -- including some we agree with.  But saying all are corrupt is unreasonably cynical.

Besides, crying "But Mom all the other kids are doing it" has never been an effective defense of misdeeds.

John

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beltfed posted this 15 August 2020

Folks!!!

I would take a Very Careful Look at Gun Owners of America.

before supporting them, I have heard it said they may be a "Trojan Horse"....

 

Same with Gottlieb's money maker "Second Amendmendment Foundation"

beltfed/arnie
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Tom Acheson posted this 15 August 2020

As mentioned earlier, our club expanded the gun rights groups they could choose from to satisfy a membership requirement. Initially it was only the NRA. The list now includes the NRA, GOA and MN Gun Caucus. Maybe we need to dig into GOA a bit.

Tom

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cbshtr posted this 15 August 2020

I was a member in a gun club for about 35 years. A couple years ago a simple audit to make sure the club's monies were being spent properly revealed over $30,000 unaccounted for. A CPA could not track the funds and the treasurer refused to cooperate so the state police were brought in with no charges so far. Some of the oldest members, myself included, walked away because apparently 300 club members see nothing wrong with the situation. So you see, it doesn't have to be a big organization for corruption to exist. For the record, I'm done with the NRA until there is a complete top end turn over. I'm just hoping the new club I'm looking into doesn't require the NRA membership.

Robert Homan

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beagle6 posted this 15 August 2020

The indictment by the State of NY against the NRA, Wayne LaPierre, and three other past or present officers of the NRA is 164 pages long. If you would like to read it ( and judge for yourself the merits) you can find it at:

courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/nra-ny.pdf.

beagle6

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JeffinNZ posted this 16 August 2020

Don't let the alleged antics of the top end officials destroy the BEST asset you have.  The NRA is more than a handful of fat cats.

Cheers from New Zealand

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Doughty posted this 16 August 2020

After reading the indictment, I would say that it is going to take a lot of work to save the NRA.  Probably the first order of business is to get some rope and string a few guys up.  Then whether to start over again from scratch, or throw support into another existing organization?

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Bud Hyett posted this 17 August 2020

This is political.The attack is on the NRA with the names of leadership individuals for their actions as a part of the NRA. 

The attack should be only on the individuals. In the negotiation stage, the individuals should given an opportunity to make good their deprivations. If they choose, then the case will be submitted for a directed verdict. Remember, even Cosa Nostra dons get off with probation for a first offense. 

In all legal dealings, a cheap lawyer is a bad investment. The maneuvering before court is where this will be won. Stall this until after the election and go forth to elect pro-second amendment people for all Federal, state and local offices. 

Country boy from Illinois, living in the magical Pacific Northwest

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Ken Campbell Iowa posted this 17 August 2020

..when considering the sins of the top NRA Royals ....which most of us have known about since 1990 ....

consider that our elected Royals in the house ... have a slush fund of taxpayer money of $800,000 per year ...  in case they need toothpaste, clean sox, ...  

oh yeah, our Senate Royals have a " walking around " allowance of $1 Million ... apparently silk underwear is a requirement in higher circles ...

we understand the corruption in our government ... maybe even laughing about the absurdity of it ... but who allotted Wayne his excesses ? ... we should change Wayne and his allotters, not the NRA en toto ...

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are we sure that the cream of humanity rises to the top ? ...  

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not to be too depressing ... 70 per cent of people are really good people ...  but perhaps being a good person involves being too trusting ...

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max503 posted this 18 August 2020

I wonder what might be found if the same scrutiny was applied to the education unions in this country?  Or at least the Chicago Teacher's Union.

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Ed in North Texas posted this 18 August 2020

Even Liberal law school professors believe Tish James' effort to disestablish the NRA is gross overreach which isn't likely to be agreed to even by a Manhattan state court judge.  In a target rich environment (think the Clinton Foundation), James campaigned on attacking the NRA when running for the AG position.

As far as LaPierre goes, I would prefer if he were told not to let the door hit him in the butt and hope to see that soon.  But James is charging misuse and waste of about 5.5% of the budget for the time period charged.  As far as non-profits go, that's chump change in a business where the law requires spending significant amounts of the income.  According to what I've read from people who are legal eagles involved with non-profits, this is a fairly low amount of misuse and wastage.  And much of it, if not all, was generically approved by the lawyers.  They may have been LaPierre's bought lawyers, but they wouldn't be involved in a criminal conspiracy.

 

I don't know where this is going, it might just disappear once 3 November comes and goes.  We, as members; need to make sure it is cleaned up - starting with showing LaPierre the door and cleaning up and making smaller the BoD.

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alamogunr posted this 22 August 2020

I don't come around here too often but of all the forums I frequent, this is the most reasoned discussion of the NRA situation.  I for one would like to see more discussion of using the vote to make sure that Mr. Biden and his associates don't get elected.

Secondly, I don't know how accurate the amount of LaPierre's exit package is but some investigation of modifying it or eliminating it entirely should be started.  Not likely to be effective since I don't know of any such movement in the corporate sector that has been successful but it might throw a scare into him.

John

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John Alexander posted this 22 August 2020

John,

Thank you for your compliment to our participating members that this discussion has been reasoned.

Recognizing that our members are of various political bents and religions, we have banned discussions of politics and religion on the CBA forum. I believe that is one of the reasons that this discussion has been reasoned.

I am sure you will find many other locations where partisan political discussion is welcomed.

Regards,

John 

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sluggo posted this 26 August 2020

Controversy aside, I think the N.R.A. could improve its image by doing something I remember it used to do. I learned responsible firearm ownership and firearm safety from this organization. With the huge Influx of new firearm owners It wouldn't hurt for the N.R.A. to run some public service announcements about firearm safety. It may have internal problems but that does not mean that it still can't help new firearm owners. It might help its image. just my 2 cents.

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