Odd Ideal Mold 430220 .44 American ?

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David Reiss posted this 14 January 2017

I have this old mold.......Ideal 430 220

Acquired it from Ebay and the previous owner claims it was designed for the .44 S&W American or just .44 American, a heeled bullet cartridge. The bullet heel is .415", with a pointed nose design at .430” diameter and and a single outside lube band, 220gr. as cast.

I have never seen this particular bullet number and have searched numerous old ideal catalogs back to just before 1900.

Any help with this mold would be helpful, especially seeing it cataloged would be great. 

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RicinYakima posted this 14 January 2017

 The 429220 is listed on page 118 in Lyman Cast bullet handbook #3. Listed and pictured on page 120 Ideal handbook #16 (1904). It is the Himmelwright wadcutter.  However I find no reference to a 430220. I would require some detailed pictures before I could research it more. HTH, Ric

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jrmartin1964 posted this 14 January 2017

I believe your Ideal mold is No.430185, a .430 diameter heel-base design which the old handbooks stated weighed 210 grains and was intended for the .44 Colt. This bullet is illustrated in Ideal Handbooks beginning with No.10 (1898) and continuing through No.16 (1904). Jim

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David Reiss posted this 14 January 2017

jrmartin1964,

The bullet does look just like the 430185, However it is clearly marked 430220. The seller thought it maybe a custom made mold by Ideal. Since I do not have a gun firing this caliber I may sell it. 

 

 

David Reiss - NRA Life Member & PSC Range Member Retired Police Firearms Instructor/Armorer
-Services: Wars Fought, Uprisings Quelled, Bars Emptied, Revolutions Started, Tigers Tamed, Assassinations Plotted, Women Seduced, Governments Run, Gun Appraisals, Lost Treasure Found.
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jrmartin1964 posted this 14 January 2017

It is most likely that your mold pre-dates the introduction of Ideal's mold numbering system in 1898. Prior to that time, Ideal identified their molds by diameter and weight. From Handbook No.1 (1891) through Handbook No.9 (1898), that same bullet was identified in the list of available molds as .44 caliber, .430 diameter, weighing 210 grains, for the .44 Colt (Old Model).

Jim

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