Just wondering. Do any of you guys size and lube your tumble lube type bullets in a lubrisizer? I have used the liquid alox and yes it works and it's easy but I don't like the looks of the bullets or the stickiness. I have a Lee 358-158 SWC TL mold that I like and it shoots quite well and I just got done running them through my lubrisizer and lubing them with Carnuba Red. I think this will work OK is anyone else doing this?
Ken
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Ken,
I have read many posts over the years on CB of TL bullets being sized and lubed. I would suggest that you need to switch from plain liquid alox to JPW/Alox to completely eliminate the stickiness. 2 ounces of alox into a warm can of JPW and stirred makes for a fast drying, non tacky lube.
I have sized/lubed the Lee 30-230-5R TL in the past and then tumble lubed, but using simple JPW/alox for all applications up to about 1800fps, I see no need to deal with exposed conventional lube in tumble lube grooves anymore.
The foremost consideration of standard lube in TL grooves, is wether there is enough lube for the ride down the barrel. The more a bullet is sized, the more the grooves are wiped out.
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I’v been shooting the Lee 160 TL in some 30 caliber . Both liquid and conventional. The bullet drops at .312 and I size to .311 and lube 50/50. After loading I dip the nose into liquid lube than invert it to a tray. Today I decided to try something different. I rolled the bullet across some lube to fill the grooves and also apply lube to bore riding nose. Yes this will leave exposed lube but I wanted to shoot tomorrow. These bullets will be in a Covered case ( MTM ) until loaded in the chamber. I’m reasonably sure there is enough lube to prevent leading. Time will tell !
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I've have several different Lee TL bullets of different calibers including the 358-158-SWC. Most often I size and lube them in a Lyman 450 with BAC. I size and lube the 158s in a .359 H&I die first as that is sizing them only .001 or less. It also does not wipe/swage away the lube grooves. If it's colder then a lubrasizer heater will be needed for the stiffer lube, such as Carnuba red, to flow into the small grooves. I then size them at .358 or .357 in a Lee push through sizer if those sizes are needed. The grooves are not swaged away when filled with lube and there is no need for re-lubing.
LMG
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I have run tumble lube type bullets through the lube-sizer just like a conventional type. It worked fine. The bullets carry a lot of lube that way.
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Back from the range. For those who don’t have a lube/ sizer you can simply roll a bullet with finger pressure across some lube. First heat the lube to liquid and pour it onto a flat surface. ( very shallow pan etc.) let it harden then your ready to lube the Tumble lube Bullet. Moderate finger pressure as rolls across will fill the grooves. I also allowed lube above the grooves. I used the Lee push through die to size and install the gas check. These were loaded to a estimated 1800 FPS. I only fired ten rounds but there was no evidence of any leading. They shot as accurate as tumble lubed.
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I learn so much here. I bought my 1st TL design from N.O.E and put it through my 450, with 50/50. Shot great, next batch was TL'd with WLL XLOX and sized in a Lee Sizer. Now I'm PCing them.
Every version has worked well.
But for some reason I can't seem to buy another TL mold. None of the designs I want seem to be TL. Guess it's just that Old Guy stuck in the mud syndrome.
I can handle PC but not TL, I can only handle one new idea at a time.
And it's PowderCoat.
Long time Caster/Reloader, Getting back into it after almost 10yrs. Life Member NRA 40+yrs, Life S.A.S.S. #375. Does this mean a description of me as a fumble-fingered knuckle-draggin' baboon. I also drool in my sleep. I firmly believe that true happiness is a warm gun. Did I mention how much I HATE auto-correct on this blasted tablet.
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BigMan,
Try Accurate Molds. There are plenty of TL designs already in the Accurate catalog, but you can get anything you want. Design your own from scratch, pick a design and tell Tom you want tumble lube grooves, put a TL body on any nose.
I tumble lube with LLA + Carnauba, done correctly it is not sticky. If it is sticky you are using too much.
Using the LEE bullet sizing die is over twice as fast as the 450. There has been some discussion about needing a second coating of LLA after sizing. I have not found this to be necessary.
Good luck with Powder Coating, let us know how it works for you.
Steve
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Steve,
I'll look though them again. But at the rate I've been buying molds lately, I'm gonna have to start duplicating what I already have.
Which of itself is not a bad thing.
Long time Caster/Reloader, Getting back into it after almost 10yrs. Life Member NRA 40+yrs, Life S.A.S.S. #375. Does this mean a description of me as a fumble-fingered knuckle-draggin' baboon. I also drool in my sleep. I firmly believe that true happiness is a warm gun. Did I mention how much I HATE auto-correct on this blasted tablet.
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I would suggest that you need to switch from plain liquid alox to JPW/Alox to completely eliminate the stickiness. 2 ounces of alox into a warm can of JPW and stirred makes for a fast drying, non tacky lube.
I thought JPW was obsolete and you couldn't get it anymore.
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That would be S.C Johnson "One Step Liquid Wax" the original wax ingredient in "Ben's Liquid Lube" on the "Can't spell right" forum. I believe he has found a substitute for the "One Step". I bought a lifetime supply of "One Step" while there was still some on Lowes shelves. Search "Ben"s Liquid Lube" on Cast Boolits to find it. When applied in very small amounts it is completely non-sticky and very effective.
The JPW paste wax is still available but too much trouble for me.
Lifetime NRA since 1956, NRA Benefactor, USN Member, CBA Member
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I'm sue glad I'm not the only one who likes to use a lubrisizer with TL bullets. I guess I'm just old school.
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There is an exact match for JLW on Amazon.
Use the Ben's receipe and then tumble in (also Amazon)
This what they look like. NOE 10mms for my Grand.
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After my 2 light coats of liquid Alox have dried(the thing never completely dries;it is forever sticky and will pack up in the seating die)I tumble them with baby powder.Removes the stickiness and doesn't pack up in the seating die.It takes but 5 minutes to coat 1000 bullets that way.The look is exactly the same as Wheel Weights' bullets.
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If I didn't already have a lubrisizer I don't think I would purchase one.
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"after 2 light coats of liquid Alox have dried(the thing never completely dries;it is forever sticky and will pack up in the seating die"
With LLA if they don't dry completely and gum up the seating die then the "light" coats are not light enough.
LMG
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