Just wondering what bullet mould would be best, and also gas check or no gas check. .300 Savage isn't a blistering speed bullet. Am I going need to get a lubrisizer or can I tumble lube them.Thanks
Mould for Savage model 99E, 300 Savage
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csparks1106: Just read your last post regarding the bullets so thought that I would clear up some of your concerns. Those bullets that I sent you were cast from an RCBS 30-165-S mold that I use to cast for my K-98 7.62x51 Mauser . I have used the 165-S for several yrs. now mainly because of the short case neck and the 13” twist it is the only bullet that I have found that the Mauser will shoot consistantly well. The reason that the actual bullet weight is different than the mold designated weight is that I have lapped the cavities out. When the mold was new, both cavities dropped bullets that that were grossly undersize for the Mauser. Base bands at .308"-.309” and noses at .300". And, out of round. I then lapped the base bands of both cavities out to .311” and the noses out to .301"-.302” to make them fit the Mauser. Also, my alloy is a combination of scrap lead mixed with known hard lead in order to get the hardness range that I want. Twenty lbs. at a time. So there can be a small variation in weight from one batch to the other. I don't worry about that. Heavier is better anyway. So, I don't worry about getting the mold designated weight. The important things when casting and shooting cast are size, roundness and uniform weight whatever it is. It is likely that your scale is fine. Those bullets weigh the same on my Dillon electronic. But it is always a good idea to check it periodically with a known standard anyway. Don't fret, just load em and shoot em. Work on powder charges, seating depth and most of all, Marksmanship. Two targets that are representative of those RCBS 30-165-S bullets when shot from my K-98 at 100 yds. Ten shot groups. Correction: Target on the left shows group shot with NOE 311-175-FN that recently showed up.
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Gary
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Received my Rock Chucker press kit the other day. Haven't had much chance to do anything with it yet. I have been weighing stuff with the 5-0-5 beam scale. Checked some of the bullets I've cast and they seem to be just a bit over their claimed weight. Don't have a known unit to measure against. I did weigh one of the cast, sized to .311, lubed and copper gc'd rcbs 30-165-sil bullets Rdupraz sent to me. It weighed in at 181.3 grains. I weighed one of my copper Hornady 30 caliber gas checks and it was 4.3. Sound accurate?
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Got a chance to put some on paper today. My scope is goofed up. The right to left (windage???) adjustment is broken, so I'm in the market for a new scope now. These are shot at 50 yards. 1st shot was on the bottom. Got our height closer after that but wouldn't adjust to the right. The 2 shots at center elevation and 2 left of center were held at center elevation and 3 right of center. These are the bullets that Richard Dupraz sent to me. The groups were just fine. Just not where they were aimed.
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I had trouble with overall length being too long for the 99 action with 308. That certainly reduced the number of suitable molds. Lee's 160gr spire point for 7.62x39 shot best but was far too long for the action. Grouch
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i got an extra remmy 722 in 300 savage. even got an extra barrel in same. anybody need this pm me i will send photos y info.
i got a long 3^ throat reamer to use on this if i ever get around to that project.
ken
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We loaded up 10 of these last week and shot them. Zero leading, and very light recoil. Didn't check the speed. Must have bumped my scope during deer season because they were way off target. Ran a few factory loads through just to verify my suspicions and they werent any better. and it was sighted in with those factory loads. Thinking about replacing the old Bushnell with a camo Nikon 6-14 anyway. As soon as we get the new scope on and load some more rounds, I'll let you know how it comes out.
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Sure would like to see a range report on those in your .300 Savage when and if you get a chance.
Was thinking of trying the BRP version of that design in my .300 Savage 99R in the near future.
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Here's a pic of the loaded bullets that R. Dupraz sent to me.
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I forgot that I had a link to castpics.net. I looked it up on there and got some different load data. I'm going to experiment.
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csparks1106: The actuall weight of those RCBS 30-165-sil bullets is 178 grns with GC because they came from a mold that has been lapped out. An old tattered Lyman #44 loading manual lists a range of CB loads for the 183 grn. and IMR4227. 16 grns -- 1457 fps 21 grns -- 1706 fps The accuracy load was 21 grns at 1706 fps. But I would start on the bottom end first. The rifle used was a Savage 99
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RCBS cast bullet manual data for 300 Savage with 308-165-SIL. Reloder 7 25 gr for 1857 fps and 27.0 gr for 2019 fps, SR 4759 19.0 gr. for 1766 fps and 21.0 gr for 1922 fps, Unique 11.0 gr for 1469 fps and 13.o gr for 1626 fps. Try 4227 if you have it available. It sure does well for R. Dupraz in his 308 Israeli Mauser. Check the match reports for charge weights and reduce 2-4 gr. to start.
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Can anyone give me a link to rcbs load data for the 300 savage. I can't seem to find anything. I am loading a cast rcbs 308-165-silh that R. Dupraz gave me to try. Need to know all the rest now. Thanks.Charlie
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In my 1927 99G I use the RCBS 30-150-FN. My rifle's twist is a little slower than 1-12” and it dosen't like bullets much over .900” long.
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It is not hard for rifles to get the right size bullet. The largest diameter bullet that will chamber is the best size. You can do that by trial and error or do a chamber casting and buy or modify a bullet sizing die that sizes bullets to fit the chamber throat with a slight drag when chambering rounds. 1/2 of one thousandth of an inch less than chamber throat diameter is the smallest you should go for bullets that fit rifles.
You can get there a variety of ways and sometimes your as cast bullet size is just fine when you luck out or have correctly ordered a custom bullet casting mold.
Very experienced casters can actually control as cast bullet diameter up to about .002” also, just by changing casting cadence or pot temperature or both. But that is a difficult skill to develop.
Gary
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Wow, I've gotten a crazy amount of info here. You folks are incredible. Thank you so much for all the reply's. I know there's a lot more to getting the right sizing die than just buying one, but what is the correct procedure? I've done a lot of reading and some things I've read twice. I don't know if I have read anything that discusses the procedure for checking the diameter of the barrel. I think I figured this out a little too late for my .38 special, as I've gotten the mould and sizing die already. I got the Lee TL 358-158-swc mould and the Lee .357 sizing die. I may not have to size the bullets, but if I do, they may need to be sized differently, or am I wrong?
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If you want to go with a 150 grain gas check bullet....
A 150 gr Really big flat-nose hunting bullet that would accommodate the short neck of the 300 Savage, is gas checked and can be crimped on the top band center for short necks:
There is many designs in 30 Cal at this site and you can specify band diameters and nose diameter for nose riding as you want and specify alloy you will be casting. The above mold I suggested would be a true meat puncher for hunting with that particular flat nose in a 300 Savage. With #2 alloy, gas checked and sized for your rifle, I believe you could accurately get 2200 fps with H4895.
Gary
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Standard twist for the. 30-30, .300 Savage and. 308 Win. is 12". While this permits higher velocities without leading, it limits uility with subsonic loads with heavier bullets, or in stabilizing long-nosed, spitzers and jacketed boattails overabout 180 grains.
The original factory loads for the. 300 Savage were a 150-grain spitzer SP at 2600 fps, or a 180 at 2400.
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