gents ,whats a good starting load for the garand that will also work the action?---thanks charles
m1 garand w/cast
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Good question from rojkoh on leading.
Bore leading is usually not the issue, but lead fouling will be blown into the gas cylinder and will deposit on the face of the gas cylinder plug and operating rod piston. If extreme and neglected it will effectively “solder” the gas cylinder and plug together, requiring heating with a torch to break loose with much cussing and swearing.
For this reason I don't recommend use of cast loads in match conditioned rifles, where frequent disassembly for thorough cleaning might be harmful.
Issue grade rifle can be used with cast bullets for a trip over the course and properly cleaned, and used with good results. Removal of the gas cylinder from the barrel isn't necessary, but the plug should be removed, the operating rod dismounted, the interior of the gas cylinder scrubbed with a .410 shotgun bore brush, and the operating rod and gas cylinder plug cleaned. Application of anti-sieze compound on the threads of the gas cylinder lock and plug is a good idea to ease disassembly.
73 de KE4SKY In Home Mix We Trust From the Home of Ed's Red in "Almost Heaven" West Virginia
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I can tell you what I use in mine. 35 gr H4895 with Lyman 311284 of heat treated WW. Just enough to function the action. Empties go 3 to4 feet away. Depending on your Garand, you may need to adjust up or down to get the desired result you want.
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Lyman 311284, WWII 4831-34 gr., dacron, Wolf LRP, 3.12” makes my Garand sing.
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I have used 33 grains of TAC with a 314299. Velocity is 2200 but accuracy is 4 inches.
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Something over 30 grains of powder works most of the time. Winchester 748 and the 311291 shot well until the rifle got hot. I had a poor bore on that rifle.
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do not know what tac is and would that be 4” @100
also thats a fat bullet, what do you size it?
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TAC is a ball powder roughly equivalent to 4895.
I size to .310 for the Garand and my 1903A3 and my 40X Remington and .314 for my M44 Nagant.
And yes it shoots 4 inches at 100 yards. Not acceptable out of my match prepared Krieger barreled M1.
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I used to use #311299 sized. 311 from wheelweights before lubing or applying GC because I heat treated in oven at 450 degs. F for an hour, then water quenched from oven, then lubed and crimp GC, loaded 36 grs. of 4064, about 2250 and 5-6 inches at 200 yards and 8-10 inches at 300.
73 de KE4SKY In Home Mix We Trust From the Home of Ed's Red in "Almost Heaven" West Virginia
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ed hello, so do you know what the BH# is after the the oven ?--charles
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I use 40 grs. 4831, NOE 311284, nose bumped down to .304 for a new Gov. barrel that I put on, Just shot a group of 4 under one in. and had my flyer at 2 in., 100yds. Still like 18 grs. 4759 for shooting.
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ed hello, so do you know what the BH# is after the the oven ?--charles
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73 de KE4SKY In Home Mix We Trust From the Home of Ed's Red in "Almost Heaven" West Virginia
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That presumes a good quench in room temperature water within 3 seconds. If you take them direct from the water, put them in a ziploc bag, then immediately cold soak them in the freezer for a week or so you might get 30.
73 de KE4SKY In Home Mix We Trust From the Home of Ed's Red in "Almost Heaven" West Virginia
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Lyman 311284, WWII 4831-34 gr., dacron, Wolf LRP, 3.12” makes my Garand sing.
You guys aren't having problems with leading the gas system?
Nothing personal, just curious.
We had 8 Garands out last weekend, 5 were primo NM rifles: 1) Navy trophy rifle (7.62x51) 2) USMC (7.62x51) 3) USAF 4) Type 1 5) Type 2.
Here's 5 of them in the rack, One in the back was a Korean war issue, the 4 in front are NM and the one sick M1A match grade I had to figure out. No, not mine, was helping a friend with a project.
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In some of my Garands I can shoot under 1 in. using 18 grs. 4759 , NOE 311284 swized at .310.
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Good question from rojkoh on leading.
Bore leading is usually not the issue, but lead fouling will be blown into the gas cylinder and will deposit on the face of the gas cylinder plug and operating rod piston. If extreme and neglected it will effectively “solder” the gas cylinder and plug together, requiring heating with a torch to break loose with much cussing and swearing.
Thanks Ed,
Personally I thought they'd named “The fouling shot” after what comes out of your bullseye loads.
I think a good project for you is to see if you can shoot cast bullets with FFg or FFFg out of a mouse gun.
:cba:
(Ducking and running):D
One serious note (after all the ones I've worked on)
Constant dissaseembly of either a Garand or a 14 type (M1A) should be avoided. It not only means re-zero'ing the rifle, but adds wear and tear to the weapon, especially to a match grade. I'll clean with gas systems without taking them out of the stock (and on the 14 type, just drop the gas piston out without touching the locking ring)... but I avoid taking the receiver out because it will mean having to retouch the bedding on a match grade sooner than you want. Don't happen that quickly with ACRAGLAS, but while I love the stuff, it's tricky to use. I have been using it since 75 on 14 types unless the owner wants something else.
Whew Garands, in 81 on one project alone, we got 633 Garands that had to be refurbished and shipped back out of the country. All parts had to be inventoried, but I did get a chance to salvage some NM parts off those rifles (hasty arsenal rebuilds).
Lot's of WWII stuff in those days don't ask.That's a BAR to the right of me, the crate of '06 was empty since we didn't have to pay for it! :D
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In some of my Garands I can shoot under 1 in. using 18 grs. 4759 , NOE 311284 swized at .310.
Nice, how far out have you tried this round?
I am curious about the BC of cast bullets and how far out they could realistically be used. Yes, I'm aware of what's been done historically with cast bullets. I had a Sharps 3 band made within 500 rifles of the Berdan run, but out of a garand, this is interesting.
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