Heavy Hunting Bullets In 30-30 Win.

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mashburn posted this 04 July 2019

As I've stated several times before, I'm a old gun builder, hunter and have reloaded for over 50 years. But my reloading other than handguns has been mostly with jacketed bullets. My interests have changed and I'm into cast rifle bullets, mostly from the hunting aspect. I don't claim to be a great white hunter but I've killed more than my share of Deer and I have killed deer with more different calibers than most people have ever thought about. However when I face a new challenge I'm not afraid to ask for advice. My question is: how heavy of a bullet can you shoot in a 30-30 Win and get good dependable accuracy, I'm not talking about little plinking loads, I'm talking about hunting loads. When I'm loading cast hunting rounds I always use GC's.

The forum has been pretty slow here lately so lets hear from some of you people who have much more experience than I do and get some activity going..I've read All of The Famous Frank's advice so I think I'm probably on the right track

Mashburn.

David a. Cogburn

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Ken Campbell Iowa posted this 04 July 2019

mr. mashburn ... i have a ppg throater i had made just for the 30-30 ... goes from 0.313 to under bore dia. at 3 degrees.   if you can't leave well enough alone ( g ) i would be glad to loan it to you .... only cost would be that you have to report how it worked for you.

ken

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RicinYakima posted this 05 July 2019

The issue seems to be the long nose that, even seated to top of top driving band, causes feeding problems. It works in the Savage 99 and weights about 210 grains from my alloy. It shoots only about 200 f/s slower than my 30/40 Krag, so would not be shy about taking it hunting.

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M3 Mitch posted this 09 July 2019

While I have never shot any game with them, the old Lyman 170 grain flat-point bullet has given me decent accuracy and I think if cast in #2 alloy, would probably be at least a decent hunting bullet.  I mention this in case you already have that mold, or can obtain it more easily than a semi-custom mold.  It's only 10 grains lighter than Ed's preferred 180 grain slug.

Although.  I am starting to agree that the semi-custom makers are worth the extra money and the wait, if you measure your own rifle's throat and know what diameter you want. That said, my 170 grain FN bullet fits every .30 caliber rifle I have tried it in, giving "minute of beer can" accuracy out to about 75 yards.

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harleyrock posted this 22 July 2019

Just being a little "nit-picky" here, in jest:

"While I can shoot 210 grain 311284 from my Savage 99, it doesn't work with lever guns."

My Savage 99 was a lever gun.smile

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RicinYakima posted this 22 July 2019

Harleyrock, My Savage 99 is a rocket ship not a plain old "lever gun". Smooth, sleek and not a box of rattling parts. cool

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RicinYakima posted this 04 July 2019

Two issues with 30/30: short throat and 1/12 twist. While I can shoot 210 grain 311284 from my Savage 99, it doesn't work with lever guns. One of my gunny friends uses the RCBS 180 grain FP with either 2/2 (tin and antimony) or 16/1 tin and gets good expansion with full loads of 3031 or 4895. FWIW

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Ed Harris posted this 04 July 2019

I used the RCBS 30-180FN cast from ww+2% tin, which weighed 188 grains lubed and gaschecked.  Loading 36 grs. of W760 or 30 grs. of W748 or IMR4064 performance approximated the .303 Savage and it was a good deer load which penetrated well, expanded normally and had good weight retention.  I killed about a dozen deer with that bullet over the years.

73 de KE4SKY In Home Mix We Trust From the Home of Ed's Red in "Almost Heaven" West Virginia

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mashburn posted this 04 July 2019

Hello TRKakaCatWhisper,

Thanks for your comment. To my understanding , the things that you stated are what made the .303 Savage stay in existence(heavier bullets than available in the 30-30 loadings from the factory). I fed my boys lots of deer meat while they were growing up also.

Have a happy 4th of July Day,

Mashburn

David a. Cogburn

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max503 posted this 04 July 2019

"While I can shoot 210 grain 311284 from my Savage 99, it doesn't work with lever guns."

I shoot the 311284 from my Contender 30-30.  That's what I used for the Coyote Challenge and it worked just dandy.

 

I used to shoot the 311284 in a 30-06 but I sold it so I'm looking for another.

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mashburn posted this 06 July 2019

Hello 45 2.1

I've read his articles so many times I can almost quote them like a holiness preacher can quote the Bible. I've learned a lot from his writings sorry that he couldn't have lived longer.

Thanks for your input,

Mashburn

David a. Cogburn

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mashburn posted this 09 July 2019

Hello cbshtr,

Thanks for your response. It sounds plausible. I store all of the load and bullet suggestions that I get on the forum in my load notebooks and take ideas from all of them. That is why I ask so many questions.

Thanks again,

Mashburn

David a. Cogburn

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mashburn posted this 10 July 2019

Hello M3 Mitch

,The 170 gr lyman bullet that you are talking about has been in the back of my mind or at least something very similar. I'm going to keep an eye on ebay and see what turns up, I've been watching for Ed''s recommendation with no success as of yet.. Sometimes you can find a bargain and other times I don't know what those bidders are paying such high prices for. My other ace in the hole is I have a friend that has more molds than most dealers. I'm going to go through is molds and borrow all of the .30 caliber molds that I have a interest in and cast some bullets from all of them and see which performs the best. The guy is so lucky finding this stuff, He bought a box of junk in a pawn shop recently and when he dug through it there was 4 or 5 lyman molds in it. I'm 75 now and started reloading when I was 19 or 20. I had no money to buy equipment or bullets or such but I had a friend (much older) that had all the bells and whistles and he sold reloading equipment and components and he would set me up for a certain load and I would stuff cartridges. I would pay him for the components that I used and leave with a pile of ammunition. I hunted every spare moment and loved to just go out and shoot and this was the only way as a broke and poor college student, that I could to keep my habit going. I was up in my 30's when I got to where I could afford to reload and now have everything in the way of equipment that anyone could ask for and I consider myself one of the most knowledgeable jacketed bullet loaders that exist. But like I said,I 'm new to cast bullets in rifles When I got serious about reloading back in the mid 70's you could buy a box of primers for less than a dollar, I've bought 22 caliber bullets for a little over 3.00 and a pound of powder for between 3 & 4 dollars. The price of components now days is enough to make everyone consider going to cast.

You statement about loading with the base of the bulle below the bottom of the case neckt is something that I've often thought of but never did test. In my younger days and I couldn't afford to run out and buy exactly what I needed & I sometimes had to improvise and seat bullets below the shoulder. I didn't spend time & (Money which I didn"t have) to experiment but I may if my health holds out.

When I saw that Obama was going to be president I bought molds for every caliber of firearm that I owned and that was a lot of calibers. Some of them I've never used. I stocked up on primers and powder. I have swaging dies to make jacketed bullets of two different caliber and did have more, but sold some of them..It's about 4 in the morning and I couldn't sleep so I think it's time to go back to bed and try it again.

Thanks for your reply,

Mashburn

David a. Cogburn

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offhand35 posted this 21 July 2019

I have been shooting 30-30 with a  a bullet made from an Accurate 310-170C mold w/ RL 7 in my Encore w/ an MGM barrel, 1:10 twist.  Velocity and grouping are much better than what I get from a jacketed 170gr bullet.

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mashburn posted this 23 July 2019

Hello M3 Mitch,

At the present I'm working on a model 94 in rifle length. I have several 30-30's but am just playing with the one at the moment. Like I've said before, I'm filling up a notebook with notes from all the response I have gotten.

Thanks,

Mashburn

David a. Cogburn

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M3 Mitch posted this 23 July 2019

As I understand it, the rifles are easier to get to shoot accurately than the carbines are.  You probably already know this, but there is an excellent article on accurizing "old school" lever guns in the 1965 Gun Digest.  One thing I read there is that if the carbine style front barrel band is tight on both the barrel and the magazine tube, the gun will tend to "walk" shots vertically as the barrel heats up.  The rifle style Model 94 is not set up like that and so can't have that particular problem.

Working with a 94, you will have the short throat and OAL restrictions for reliable feeding, while I have not tried heavier, I'm thinking 170 to 180 grains is about all the bullet in terms of length you can make work through the action.  Just IMHO, a flat point is better for hunting, and stays far away from any possibility of setting off primers in the magazine tube.

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sudden thunder posted this 10 November 2019

I've shot medium power loads with 180 gr bullets, accurate!

Shoot for the moon! Getting older may be inevitable, but acting your age appears to be optional ....

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mashburn posted this 04 July 2019

Hello RiicinYakima

Thanks for the response and info. I figured that I would be faced with that problem. I have purchased  170 & a180 gr. GC molds.  I would like to find a 200 gr mold that will work if possible. I've had good luck with RL7 powder in .375 caliber cast lead. In his writings Frank gives a lot of loading info for this type of cartridge and rifle.Thanks for the alloy information also.

Mashburn

David a. Cogburn

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lotech posted this 04 July 2019

I haven't had a .30-30 in a long time, but I used to use the RCBS 30-180 FN mould to make 190 grain bullets (wheelweight alloy). I bought the mould more than thirty years ago and bullets were quite accurate, sized at .310" or .311". This bullet also shot very well in other .30 caliber rifles.  

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mashburn posted this 04 July 2019

Hello lotech,

Thanks for your response and information.

Have a happy 4th of July.

Mashburn

David a. Cogburn

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mashburn posted this 04 July 2019

Hello Ed,

Thanks for your response and all of this good information you supplied. Does RCBS still make this mold? I have about three similar molds but I am going to try and find this RCBS mold .I like the powders that you used in this load. I'm anxious to start experimenting.

Thanks and have a happy 4th of July Day,

Mashburn

David a. Cogburn

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